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Post by Peterjs on Nov 13, 2004 17:21:21 GMT -5
This story goes back to World War 2; my Father in law was seconded to the American army in the final throws of WW2 and was in the area of The Eagles Nest, Berchtesgaden on the Austrian border, he was one of the first to enter the head quarters there and like so many service men and women collected a few mementoes.
Of the items he took back to England there were 2 writing folders, one of which I have and is of interest, it is made of a clear type of plastic with silver leaf inside and with edelweiss flowers around the edge with the initials J G on the front and thickly padded.
Some years ago I removed the blue lacing around the edge and found inside 8 envelopes, each with names, dates and file Nos, inside these envelopes were a series of X RAYS, all with names, dates and file Nos, and mostly of the dental area,
I have shown some of these X RAYS to a Orthodontist but did not say where they were from, he was very surprised at the condition of them and the detail and the equipment that must have been used, the X RAYS are of 7 men and 1 woman.
Over the past few years I have found books on some of the high-ranking members of Hitler’s close ranks, and found XRAYS of Hitler and dental records [if correct] and from an untrained eye, look remarkably similar,
There has been considerable speculation over the past 50 + years if the bodies found partly burnt in the bunker in Berlin were that of A Hitler and E Braun, I cant help but wonder if I have a major part of the gig saw puzzle.
Any help or ideas where to go to next in this would be much appreciated. Thanks Pete.
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Post by Ben Burgess on Nov 13, 2004 18:20:02 GMT -5
OK, am I the only one to have doubts about this post and the suspected dentals records found in the folder? Presumably the mysterious initials 'JG' are designed to instantly bring to mind Joseph Goebbels. And, being a doctor, it makes sense that he secreted these dental records away into the lining of his paperwork at the Obersalzberg, right? Pete, this would be fantastic if it was a genuine find but it is obviously a great claim to make without substancial evidence. As such I am obviously cautious of the post. Perhaps if you could provide a little more information or sustantiate your claim we could discuss it further and in depth. Lord knows I'd love it if the first place to ever discuss the 2004 finding of Adolf Hitler's dental records was The History Project forum merely days after opening! Hope to hear from you again soon. In the mean time I'm off to continue reading The Hitler Diaries  Ben |
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Post by Peterjs on Nov 13, 2004 18:39:16 GMT -5
Thanks Ben for your quick reply, yes if this does turn out to be of some historical value it would be great, my father-in –law passed away some 30 years ago so I don’t have any way to confirm that they did indeed come from where he said they did, but I do have the writing folder, the 8 envelopes and all the X RAYS that are in them, I can send photos of any of this to you, it does sound like a fairy story, but, I do have the folder etc and it sure makes my hair stand on end when I look at it. Its contents had to be secreted away for a very good reason, identification is the only one I can think of, anyway let me know if you would like photos and where to send to. Thanks again Pete.
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Post by Ben Burgess on Nov 13, 2004 19:02:03 GMT -5
Pete,
I would be greatly interested in seeing photos of the item and you can reach me with these via webmaster@thehistoryproject.co.uk. Perhaps if the interest is enough I can upload them to a page on the website for people to take a look at?
I look forward to hearing from you,
Ben
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Post by Jan Hyrman on Nov 15, 2004 3:02:50 GMT -5
Ben, Peter,
This really looks fantastic, if it really proves correct. But why would anyone want to secret away records which can be actually found in books - as Peter observed, Hitler's dental records became evidence of substantial value when the identity of the corpse found in the courtyard of his Berlin bunker was to be identified... Also, why would he want to keep it at Obersalzberg if Goebbels (if JG really stands for him) if he was spending most of the time in the end of the war in the Reichskanzlei in Berlin?
But it would definetely be nice to see the pics, Ben, after all, this may really prove right!
Regards,
Jan
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Post by Finding out on Nov 15, 2004 8:46:36 GMT -5
Ben How bout posting the pictures somewhere. Maybe only a link that can be reached from this tread, that way we don't attract any unnecessary attention and just indicate that it's speculative right now so as too not imply a false claim. I would really like access to them, my father used to be an investigator and his expertise is in the Administration of the Third Reich. He would at least have or could find a real copy of the top echelon’s dental records. Also My girl friend is a dental Hygienist and could probably tell if they are a match or not. and we should double check in a lot of other places before endorsing your claim.
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Post by Ben Burgess on Nov 15, 2004 9:49:04 GMT -5
Andrew,
As you have stated yourself we do not want to draw undue attention to this claim until it has been substantiated or has at least been proven of some credibility. As such I have emailed Peter for more information and will update the board as it is received. Currently I do not have his permission to post the photographs on the website although I will provide a link as soon as he replies. I believe this is likely to be later on today as the email was sent out the day after the first message was posted.
Should Peter wish to go ahead and attempt to authenticate these items, however, I will be establishing a team at the History Project to help him with this in any way we can. Using the contacts we have made over the last few months in developing the website I am sure we can come to some form of conclusion. Anybody from the forum wishing to help in this endevour can email me at webmaster@thehistoryproject.co.uk
I will update everyone if and when I receive more information. Regards,
Ben
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Post by Jan Hyrman on Jan 24, 2005 3:16:22 GMT -5
Hello everyone, Do we have any progress in this matter  This thread appears to be the single most interesting of this forum, but the story so far has no end, which is a pity. |
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Post by Peterjs on Jan 25, 2005 17:16:31 GMT -5
Hi Jan, thanks for your interest, yes I have forwarded most of the info that I have to Ben, eg copies of the folder with the initials J G on, the 8 envelope’s with names, date’s and file No’s, also copies of the dental X Rays from inside the envelopes I managed to scan these quite ok, I do have a little more info but can’t find it at all at this time, it’s my Father-in-law’s regiment No, he was in the Royal Engineers, and on a card that I cant find is his Regiment No not his own No. As this is a strange set of things to have I do think it will take some time to get to the truth of it all, I have pondered on this for years, and as they are dental X Rays that are normally used for identification I can only assume they were to be used to identify these 8 people as and when needed. Now comes the hard part, are these the actual X Rays of 8 people that were at the top of the hierarchy and keep out of the way for future use or could they be of 8 people whose names were to be used for the 8 people and just had the X Rays exchanged to make it look they were 8 ordinary people, or none of the above, but whatever they are, they were concealed for a purpose, and that purpose could only be one of identity. Somewhere there are other envelopes with names dates and file No’s on, and I have some of the missing ones, they must mean something. Thanks again for your interest. Pete
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Post by Peterjs on Aug 13, 2005 16:45:38 GMT -5
Hi all interested parties, I hope to have a site for access to the above in the not to distant future, in the mean time if you would like to have any input or have any questions or would like to see some of the X Rays etc, please contact me on peterjs13@yahoo.com. I would like to have some answers to just who the 8 people are that have names, dates and file No’s, yes I do have my own ideas but may be wrong, any help and assistance would be most welcome. Thanks Pete.
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Post by GFDS on Nov 11, 2005 9:16:01 GMT -5
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Post by gfdsgfd on May 13, 2006 21:21:06 GMT -5
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Post by gfdsgfd on May 13, 2006 21:23:00 GMT -5
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Post by gjh on May 30, 2006 18:00:17 GMT -5
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This thread appears to be the single most interesting of this forum, but the story so far has no end, which is a pity.